there are laws for a reason. so don't leave it up to the parents. >> jessica, what should be the parent, the parents ideas and authorities versus the state? >> it is absurd to say there is laws for a reason. there are laws against spitting on the ground. but let me tell you something if you you you have gone for a ten mile run you have spit on the ground. now, the reality is that 67% of american teenagers have been drinking. so do you want them to learn it from their friends or would you like them to sit down with you and have is a burger and a beer and say to them, no, honey have half of it. or don't have a second one. and see how that feels. so that kids know that drinking can happen without it being a binge. we cannot expect that -- you don't get to make rules for your 21-year-old. they are long gone by then. >> jen, very quickly, you don't like the parents having the ultimate prerogative here. >> you can teach without showing. you teach them sex ed without showing, right? >> actually, i think that. >> i think